From cf4a3aafa6cf9143e18b3bdd497d712f7793fe71 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Thomas Schwinge Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:45:28 +0200 Subject: Make the WebDiscuss pages real discussion pages. --- Distrib.mdwn | 4 -- Distrib/WebDiscuss.mdwn | 23 ----------- Distrib/discussion.mdwn | 23 +++++++++++ GNU.mdwn | 8 ---- GNU/WebDiscuss.mdwn | 19 --------- GNU/discussion.mdwn | 19 +++++++++ Hug.mdwn | 2 - Hug/WebDiscuss.mdwn | 18 -------- Hug/discussion.mdwn | 18 ++++++++ Hurd/HurdDiscuss.mdwn | 5 --- Hurd/WebDiscuss.mdwn | 17 -------- Hurd/discussion.mdwn | 17 ++++++++ Mach.mdwn | 5 --- Mach/WebDiscuss.mdwn | 23 ----------- Mach/discussion.mdwn | 23 +++++++++++ Main/WebDiscuss.mdwn | 13 ------ Main/discussion.mdwn | 13 ++++++ Mig.mdwn | 6 --- Mig/WebDiscuss.mdwn | 17 -------- Mig/discussion.mdwn | 17 ++++++++ TWiki.mdwn | 1 - TWiki/WebDiscuss.mdwn | 106 ------------------------------------------------ TWiki/discussion.mdwn | 106 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 23 files changed, 236 insertions(+), 267 deletions(-) delete mode 100644 Distrib/WebDiscuss.mdwn create mode 100644 Distrib/discussion.mdwn delete mode 100644 GNU/WebDiscuss.mdwn create mode 100644 GNU/discussion.mdwn delete mode 100644 Hug/WebDiscuss.mdwn create mode 100644 Hug/discussion.mdwn delete mode 100644 Hurd/HurdDiscuss.mdwn delete mode 100644 Hurd/WebDiscuss.mdwn create mode 100644 Hurd/discussion.mdwn delete mode 100644 Mach/WebDiscuss.mdwn create mode 100644 Mach/discussion.mdwn delete mode 100644 Main/WebDiscuss.mdwn create mode 100644 Main/discussion.mdwn delete mode 100644 Mig/WebDiscuss.mdwn create mode 100644 Mig/discussion.mdwn delete mode 100644 TWiki/WebDiscuss.mdwn create mode 100644 TWiki/discussion.mdwn diff --git a/Distrib.mdwn b/Distrib.mdwn index 9e1e2c15..4aded639 100644 --- a/Distrib.mdwn +++ b/Distrib.mdwn @@ -210,7 +210,3 @@ Another installation method is using an emulated environment. The [[BochsEmulato * [Misc. Docs @Etherhogz](http://www.etherhogz.org/doc/) (broken) * [Ognyan Kulev Collection](http://debian.fmi.uni-sofia.bg/~ogi/hurd/links/index.html) of links (unsupported) * [2000 Jim Franklin Collection](http://angg.twu.net/the_hurd_links.html) of links - ----- - -Meta discussions about the Distrib web goes in the [[WebDiscuss]] topic. diff --git a/Distrib/WebDiscuss.mdwn b/Distrib/WebDiscuss.mdwn deleted file mode 100644 index 1b455e3c..00000000 --- a/Distrib/WebDiscuss.mdwn +++ /dev/null @@ -1,23 +0,0 @@ -## Maintenance of the %WEB% web - -I've setup a preliminary front page for the Distrib web. Nothing fancy, but I think it's better to have a general idea on display rather than nothing. This is your baby Grant. :) - -Where should all this stuff go? - -**Notes:** - --- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 28 Nov 2002 - -[[CDNotesHome]] no longer shows dates of releases. Is this because the spaces that are included in topic names? - --- [[Main/OgnyanKulev]] - 22 Sep 2004 - -Strange. Nope, the spaces in links and topic names are only visible when the wiki is presented in HTML to the user, it's a visualization plugin. The topics themselves are still searchable in the same fashion. - -However, we recently had a server upgrade (woody-->sarge) that may have affected the apache settings. I'll look into it and post more here later. - --- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 22 Sep 2004 - -It is still having problems. - --- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 24 Jul 2007 diff --git a/Distrib/discussion.mdwn b/Distrib/discussion.mdwn new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1b455e3c --- /dev/null +++ b/Distrib/discussion.mdwn @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +## Maintenance of the %WEB% web + +I've setup a preliminary front page for the Distrib web. Nothing fancy, but I think it's better to have a general idea on display rather than nothing. This is your baby Grant. :) + +Where should all this stuff go? + +**Notes:** + +-- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 28 Nov 2002 + +[[CDNotesHome]] no longer shows dates of releases. Is this because the spaces that are included in topic names? + +-- [[Main/OgnyanKulev]] - 22 Sep 2004 + +Strange. Nope, the spaces in links and topic names are only visible when the wiki is presented in HTML to the user, it's a visualization plugin. The topics themselves are still searchable in the same fashion. + +However, we recently had a server upgrade (woody-->sarge) that may have affected the apache settings. I'll look into it and post more here later. + +-- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 22 Sep 2004 + +It is still having problems. + +-- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 24 Jul 2007 diff --git a/GNU.mdwn b/GNU.mdwn index 6c90cf14..a97a54a7 100644 --- a/GNU.mdwn +++ b/GNU.mdwn @@ -26,11 +26,3 @@ GNU stands for GNU's Not Unix. It is a project announced in 1983 by [[RichardSta

Mailing list for discussion about the GNU system.

[[WebDiscuss]]: Meta discussion about how to make this section of the site better.

diff --git a/GNU/WebDiscuss.mdwn b/GNU/WebDiscuss.mdwn deleted file mode 100644 index 7a96803b..00000000 --- a/GNU/WebDiscuss.mdwn +++ /dev/null @@ -1,19 +0,0 @@ -## GNU Web Meta Discussion - -Where did you get that logo? Maybe it's the color but it looks very elegant compared to - --- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 23 Oct 2002 - -I did it myself. Somewhat inspired by another GNU artwork, but completely hand made in the Gimp. - -I'm working on a cool Mach logo as well. Inspiration is the old Atari arcade game M.A.C.H. 3. :-) - --- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 29 Oct 2002 - -What do you feel about the new copyright notice at the bottom of this web? - -I'm afraid that I will have to add another page to the edit process to actually enforce this stuff. Perhaps I can combine the old Preview with this copyright assignment, what do you think? - -Oh, btw. It seems RMS is right. At least according to Swedish law (as far as I've checked) transfer/assignment of copyright can be made the way he describes. The user has to select a checkbox or press a button to accept the copyright assignment each time. But as long as that is done we don't have to have any other form of "legal contract" between the users and the FSF. - --- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 29 Oct 2002 diff --git a/GNU/discussion.mdwn b/GNU/discussion.mdwn new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7a96803b --- /dev/null +++ b/GNU/discussion.mdwn @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +## GNU Web Meta Discussion + +Where did you get that logo? Maybe it's the color but it looks very elegant compared to + +-- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 23 Oct 2002 + +I did it myself. Somewhat inspired by another GNU artwork, but completely hand made in the Gimp. + +I'm working on a cool Mach logo as well. Inspiration is the old Atari arcade game M.A.C.H. 3. :-) + +-- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 29 Oct 2002 + +What do you feel about the new copyright notice at the bottom of this web? + +I'm afraid that I will have to add another page to the edit process to actually enforce this stuff. Perhaps I can combine the old Preview with this copyright assignment, what do you think? + +Oh, btw. It seems RMS is right. At least according to Swedish law (as far as I've checked) transfer/assignment of copyright can be made the way he describes. The user has to select a checkbox or press a button to accept the copyright assignment each time. But as long as that is done we don't have to have any other form of "legal contract" between the users and the FSF. + +-- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 29 Oct 2002 diff --git a/Hug.mdwn b/Hug.mdwn index bf8d7c04..346f5729 100644 --- a/Hug.mdwn +++ b/Hug.mdwn @@ -16,5 +16,3 @@ Welcome. This is a web-based collaboration area for Hurd user groups.

HurdIn: http://i-hug.sarovar.org

HurdUs: http://hurd.gnufans.org/

- -

[[WebDiscuss]]

diff --git a/Hug/WebDiscuss.mdwn b/Hug/WebDiscuss.mdwn deleted file mode 100644 index a566d99e..00000000 --- a/Hug/WebDiscuss.mdwn +++ /dev/null @@ -1,18 +0,0 @@ -Why the heck was an ENTIRE web created to hold one page in another language without any URLs or content in it?? Out of respect to hear why, I've refrained from deleting it. I actually updated the menus on the left side and the colored box so that it's included there even though I didn't understand it at the time. - -Perhaps the feeling was (like mine) there's no place to point to all the various locations where real people who use the Hurd are. I've noticed that as well recently as I get more familiar with the site design, navigation and content again. In response I've updated the [[Hurd/TheGnuHurd]] with that info as a question. It's ideal since it's listed in the navigation bar at left as About too... Perhaps this is where we can focus things in an FAQ format to help pare down the navigation and increase signal/noise quite a bit. We could even rename it to [nop]TheGnuHurdFaq - -It makes no intuitive sense to me given that the site already has too many different webs that aren't being used to their fullest. We jumped from just one web (Hurd) to several webs since the Hurd one seemed to justify the traffic. I just recently moved all the last remaining content that I could find out of the Main web, completing the move we made to complete going to the one Hurd web many moons ago. I think all new content that we don't know where to put needs to be in ONLY the Hurd web unless there's a clear affinity for having it in a different web. - -* Mig - clear -* Mach - clear -* Gnu - clear -* Distrib - Debian port or Debian project related only. The only reason I think we didn't name this Debian is because there are anticipated other distributions. -* Hurd - everything else - -* TWiki - re: TWiki software only -* Main - administrative, holds user accounts - -* Test - on a high volume site this might be better used, but it also has value in encouraging experimentation even if we have the name as Sandbox (inconsistent with rest of site navigation). That screenshot is awesome, we should try to find more of that kind of thing. - --- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 27 Feb 2004 diff --git a/Hug/discussion.mdwn b/Hug/discussion.mdwn new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a566d99e --- /dev/null +++ b/Hug/discussion.mdwn @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +Why the heck was an ENTIRE web created to hold one page in another language without any URLs or content in it?? Out of respect to hear why, I've refrained from deleting it. I actually updated the menus on the left side and the colored box so that it's included there even though I didn't understand it at the time. + +Perhaps the feeling was (like mine) there's no place to point to all the various locations where real people who use the Hurd are. I've noticed that as well recently as I get more familiar with the site design, navigation and content again. In response I've updated the [[Hurd/TheGnuHurd]] with that info as a question. It's ideal since it's listed in the navigation bar at left as About too... Perhaps this is where we can focus things in an FAQ format to help pare down the navigation and increase signal/noise quite a bit. We could even rename it to [nop]TheGnuHurdFaq + +It makes no intuitive sense to me given that the site already has too many different webs that aren't being used to their fullest. We jumped from just one web (Hurd) to several webs since the Hurd one seemed to justify the traffic. I just recently moved all the last remaining content that I could find out of the Main web, completing the move we made to complete going to the one Hurd web many moons ago. I think all new content that we don't know where to put needs to be in ONLY the Hurd web unless there's a clear affinity for having it in a different web. + +* Mig - clear +* Mach - clear +* Gnu - clear +* Distrib - Debian port or Debian project related only. The only reason I think we didn't name this Debian is because there are anticipated other distributions. +* Hurd - everything else + +* TWiki - re: TWiki software only +* Main - administrative, holds user accounts + +* Test - on a high volume site this might be better used, but it also has value in encouraging experimentation even if we have the name as Sandbox (inconsistent with rest of site navigation). That screenshot is awesome, we should try to find more of that kind of thing. + +-- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 27 Feb 2004 diff --git a/Hurd/HurdDiscuss.mdwn b/Hurd/HurdDiscuss.mdwn deleted file mode 100644 index 2c6f40ce..00000000 --- a/Hurd/HurdDiscuss.mdwn +++ /dev/null @@ -1,5 +0,0 @@ -Brace for impact... - --- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 25 Feb 2004 - -Oops, my mistake, I was looking for [[Hurd/WebDiscuss]] diff --git a/Hurd/WebDiscuss.mdwn b/Hurd/WebDiscuss.mdwn deleted file mode 100644 index 196edd38..00000000 --- a/Hurd/WebDiscuss.mdwn +++ /dev/null @@ -1,17 +0,0 @@ -## Hurd Web Meta Discussions - -Old discussions: [[WIKIHOMEURLHurdWebDiscussrev16]] | [[WIKIHOMEURLTWikiTWikiDiscussrev161]] - -This is an area to talk about how these pages are put together, edited and arranged. Without organization the navigation of the site could become unusable. - -Please add your comments below and then your signature, Blog style. - ----- - -I cleaned up the rest of [[WebHome]] as well. - --- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 03 Feb 2003 - -Sometimes for whatever reason, a topic has no parent. I feel sorry for these topics :-), so I will work on finishing a [[WebNoParent]] for this web and deploy it to all webs when I'm done. - --- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 24 Apr 2004 diff --git a/Hurd/discussion.mdwn b/Hurd/discussion.mdwn new file mode 100644 index 00000000..196edd38 --- /dev/null +++ b/Hurd/discussion.mdwn @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +## Hurd Web Meta Discussions + +Old discussions: [[WIKIHOMEURLHurdWebDiscussrev16]] | [[WIKIHOMEURLTWikiTWikiDiscussrev161]] + +This is an area to talk about how these pages are put together, edited and arranged. Without organization the navigation of the site could become unusable. + +Please add your comments below and then your signature, Blog style. + +---- + +I cleaned up the rest of [[WebHome]] as well. + +-- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 03 Feb 2003 + +Sometimes for whatever reason, a topic has no parent. I feel sorry for these topics :-), so I will work on finishing a [[WebNoParent]] for this web and deploy it to all webs when I'm done. + +-- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 24 Apr 2004 diff --git a/Mach.mdwn b/Mach.mdwn index 46dc8a7c..40ee8647 100644 --- a/Mach.mdwn +++ b/Mach.mdwn @@ -89,8 +89,3 @@ This web deals with the Mach micro kernel, the base for the Hurd servers which m

[[GNUMachRevivalProject]]: Task and Wish list for a new effort to make GNU Mach a reliable (in stability and performance terms) microkernel for The Hurd.

[[WebDiscuss]] - Content discussions

diff --git a/Mach/WebDiscuss.mdwn b/Mach/WebDiscuss.mdwn deleted file mode 100644 index 589e302d..00000000 --- a/Mach/WebDiscuss.mdwn +++ /dev/null @@ -1,23 +0,0 @@ -## Maintenance of the Mach web - -**_Old discussions:_** [[WIKIHOMEURLMachTOPICrev13]] - -Interesting, for consistency sake I'll think about making your changes you made on the right hand side to the other web WebHome pages. I guess it's not critical that they are identical, but I was trying to keep them identical if possible. I also wanted it to be "light" enough feature wise that it doesn't overpower the page. You've added back a few of the features, so we obviously differ in how important you and I think these features are. That's OK, I'll think about it some more and we'll see what happens. - -Oh, I see you added back [[WebTopicList]] and [[WebPreferences]]. I purposely removed [[WebPreferences]] from the lists on the right because it has nothing to do with navigation. I also didn't think that people actually use topic names to navigate. If they do they could search for them. Keeping the number to four items instead of six and keeping the descriptions concise makes a big difference when I view the page. - -(goes off to think more...) - -and eat... ;-) - --- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 29 Dec 2002 - -**_Reasons for my change:_** - -1. [[WebTopicList]] is a lot quicker than the [[WebIndex]] - brings down the load times and the load of the server -2. [[WebPreferences]] - users might be curious to see what can be modified. Changes should of course only be made in their home topics, like in %WIKIUSERNAME%. However, the [[WebPreferences]] can serve as an inspiration. Therefore we should perhaps make sure only the [[Main/TWikiAdminGroup]] members can alter the \*Preferences topics. -3. If you look closely I've also reordered the links. Shorter names first and long ones last, I tried to keep the descriptions brief and in proportional length as well. - -I don't know about you, but keeping the number of items to four rather than six doesn't really matter to me. The text is quite small and if it's the space we're after the [[WebStatistics]] does take up more than the navigation links. - --- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 29 Dec 2002 diff --git a/Mach/discussion.mdwn b/Mach/discussion.mdwn new file mode 100644 index 00000000..589e302d --- /dev/null +++ b/Mach/discussion.mdwn @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +## Maintenance of the Mach web + +**_Old discussions:_** [[WIKIHOMEURLMachTOPICrev13]] + +Interesting, for consistency sake I'll think about making your changes you made on the right hand side to the other web WebHome pages. I guess it's not critical that they are identical, but I was trying to keep them identical if possible. I also wanted it to be "light" enough feature wise that it doesn't overpower the page. You've added back a few of the features, so we obviously differ in how important you and I think these features are. That's OK, I'll think about it some more and we'll see what happens. + +Oh, I see you added back [[WebTopicList]] and [[WebPreferences]]. I purposely removed [[WebPreferences]] from the lists on the right because it has nothing to do with navigation. I also didn't think that people actually use topic names to navigate. If they do they could search for them. Keeping the number to four items instead of six and keeping the descriptions concise makes a big difference when I view the page. + +(goes off to think more...) + +and eat... ;-) + +-- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 29 Dec 2002 + +**_Reasons for my change:_** + +1. [[WebTopicList]] is a lot quicker than the [[WebIndex]] - brings down the load times and the load of the server +2. [[WebPreferences]] - users might be curious to see what can be modified. Changes should of course only be made in their home topics, like in %WIKIUSERNAME%. However, the [[WebPreferences]] can serve as an inspiration. Therefore we should perhaps make sure only the [[Main/TWikiAdminGroup]] members can alter the \*Preferences topics. +3. If you look closely I've also reordered the links. Shorter names first and long ones last, I tried to keep the descriptions brief and in proportional length as well. + +I don't know about you, but keeping the number of items to four rather than six doesn't really matter to me. The text is quite small and if it's the space we're after the [[WebStatistics]] does take up more than the navigation links. + +-- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 29 Dec 2002 diff --git a/Main/WebDiscuss.mdwn b/Main/WebDiscuss.mdwn deleted file mode 100644 index fa143fad..00000000 --- a/Main/WebDiscuss.mdwn +++ /dev/null @@ -1,13 +0,0 @@ -# Meta discussions about the Main web - -Created. - -Good work on the front page, Grant! - -I've done some minor cosmetic changes only. See the [[SCRIPTURLrdiffSCRIPTSUFFIXMainHurdGnuFansOrgrev1129rev2128]] for details. - --- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 23 Nov 2002 - -You did all the hard work in this area! I'm glad we have a [[Main]] to play with again. I like the idea of moving the main page to it's own topic. I'm going to rework the WebHome as I have done all the other similar pages. This is great, thanks! - --- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 29 Dec 2002 diff --git a/Main/discussion.mdwn b/Main/discussion.mdwn new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fa143fad --- /dev/null +++ b/Main/discussion.mdwn @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +# Meta discussions about the Main web + +Created. + +Good work on the front page, Grant! + +I've done some minor cosmetic changes only. See the [[SCRIPTURLrdiffSCRIPTSUFFIXMainHurdGnuFansOrgrev1129rev2128]] for details. + +-- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 23 Nov 2002 + +You did all the hard work in this area! I'm glad we have a [[Main]] to play with again. I like the idea of moving the main page to it's own topic. I'm going to rework the WebHome as I have done all the other similar pages. This is great, thanks! + +-- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 29 Dec 2002 diff --git a/Mig.mdwn b/Mig.mdwn index 7334d4d9..030a4fc1 100644 --- a/Mig.mdwn +++ b/Mig.mdwn @@ -7,9 +7,3 @@ The [[MachInterfaceGenerator]] (MIG) is a program which generates inter-process

Mach servers run as separate tasks and communicate with RPC messages. The RPC interface is language independant and somewhat complex. MIG mitigates this complexity.

GNU MIG is fully compatible with OSF MIG. The official Mig site is a page hosted on the official Hurd site. [[MigDocumentation]] is available. Mig also has it's own CVS module within the main Hurd CVS site.

[[BuildingMIG]]

[[WebDiscuss]]: Discussion about how to make this part of the site better and more informative.

diff --git a/Mig/WebDiscuss.mdwn b/Mig/WebDiscuss.mdwn deleted file mode 100644 index fdab3a45..00000000 --- a/Mig/WebDiscuss.mdwn +++ /dev/null @@ -1,17 +0,0 @@ -Created - --- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 29 Oct 2002 - -The logo seems very programmer friendly as this web topic is intended. - --- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 15 Nov 2002 - -There's little traffic here and little content. Perhaps we should just remove this web? It seemed like a good idea to create it when we split the others off... - --- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 22 Dec 2002 - -Maybe, but not yet. Let's keep it for a while longer - say, three months. 1st April 2003. If the traffic still is low then we move the Mig topics to the Mach web ... - -...Mig = **Mach** Interface Generator. - --- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 22 Dec 2002 diff --git a/Mig/discussion.mdwn b/Mig/discussion.mdwn new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fdab3a45 --- /dev/null +++ b/Mig/discussion.mdwn @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +Created + +-- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 29 Oct 2002 + +The logo seems very programmer friendly as this web topic is intended. + +-- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 15 Nov 2002 + +There's little traffic here and little content. Perhaps we should just remove this web? It seemed like a good idea to create it when we split the others off... + +-- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 22 Dec 2002 + +Maybe, but not yet. Let's keep it for a while longer - say, three months. 1st April 2003. If the traffic still is low then we move the Mig topics to the Mach web ... + +...Mig = **Mach** Interface Generator. + +-- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 22 Dec 2002 diff --git a/TWiki.mdwn b/TWiki.mdwn index d3b93da0..821c0247 100644 --- a/TWiki.mdwn +++ b/TWiki.mdwn @@ -55,7 +55,6 @@ Documentation for webmasters, system administrators, project managers, team lead diff --git a/TWiki/WebDiscuss.mdwn b/TWiki/WebDiscuss.mdwn deleted file mode 100644 index 0e1be4e6..00000000 --- a/TWiki/WebDiscuss.mdwn +++ /dev/null @@ -1,106 +0,0 @@ -# Meta Discussion Topic for the TWiki Web - -Old discussions: [[WIKIHOMEURLTWikiWebDiscussrev12]] | [[WIKIHOMEURLTWikiWebDiscussrev16]] - -This topic is used for meta discussions regarding the TWiki web. We discuss content, usability features, and other related things. Comment below in blog style. - ----- - -I don't know if [[Main/DerekDavies]] will read this or not, however I know you will, Joachim. Derek changed the [[WebMenu]] for the TWiki web and also (my way of some kind of include) changed the navigation on the front page. - -I guess I get sensitive over navigation issues. If a site is to act as one site then there needs to be consistency in the navigation. I also am a firm believer that TWiki in general and newbies in particular overwhelms people new to our site with too much information all at once. This is a public site. I'm trying to keep in mind that we want to be effective in getting across a message to an audience that for the most part are not TWiki fans even if they are somewhat GNU fans by way of their even knowing about and being interestd in the Hurd efforts. - -There's also the balance between encouraging users to participate in the content and keeping a unified site that makes sense to all. To me that indicates some degree of direction/management. - -So before I fly off the handle and change back the [[TWiki/WebMenu]] as well as putting security restrictions on all [[WebMenu]] topics I wanted to get some feedback as a sanity check. - --- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 06 Jan 2003 - -Don't worry Grant, you're still sane. :) - -I completely agree to put certain topics, e.g., [[TWiki/WebMenu]] and [[Main/HurdGnuFansOrg]], under stricter editorial control. - --- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 07 Jan 2003 - -Dilemma: I kinda like the [[WebMenu]] changes if they were isolated to the TWiki web. Hmmm. However I don't like them on the main page. Can you change the Python script to not make those two identical? - -And the right way of making that change would not be a new [[WebMenu]] but a change to a variable, right? Oh, the TWiki one IS the global one, yeah. We should lock a couple topics in any case, but only using GROUPS, not user names. Yes, you and I have over-ride in reality but using group names more clearly conveys who to talk to by if users want to talk to someone. Using the right group names also gives future flexibility if the list of names change. It's The Right Thing To Do (tm). :-) - --- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 09 Jan 2003 - -Hmmm, sure I can fix the Python script. How would you like to have the front page? - -1. [[HurdGnuFansOrg]] plus the menu look of the Main web -2. [[HurdGnuFansOrg]] plus the menu look of some other web - -(**_On a side note:_** I still think we should have [[WebIndex]], [[WebChanges]] and [[WebNotify]] in the menu of all the webs, the DEFAULTITEMS. Named Index, [[ChangeLog]] and Notify Me ...)
- -

"Carthago delenda est!"
-- Cato

- -We always use group names, naturally. :) - --- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 13 Jan 2003 - -We're getting down to usage style, I think. For me I NEVER access the [[WebNotify]] now that it's set. It would be clutter, promoting a one time use that probably most people may not want because they are not as interested in the site as we are. Just a Guess. - -I NEVER use [[WebIndex]], I always search. There's already a search in the upper right of your page. - -[[WebChanges]] is useful, but again if it's on a link from the [[WebHome]] topic anyway... Do you access [[WebChanges]] more than a couple times during a session to a web? Do you think others do as well? - --- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 14 Jan 2003 - -You're probably right, we're talking about usage patterns. Here are my reasons, tainted they may be of my own style: - -* An index page is useful to a person like me, or a beginner, trying to get an overview what types of pages a web contains. I also use it to look fur unmaintained stuff, cruft, that might contain erroneous information - but that's for maintenance, so it doesn't really count. I find the index mostly useful because my brain shuts down quite frequently and finding the correct search words sometimes fail. Scanning through a list helps me such times. And, some topics aren't listed on the webhomes or adjacent pages. - -* [[WebChanges]] I use when I don't want to login to my mail to see what you've been doing lately. It's also very useful tool for infrequent visitors wanting to find out where people work at the moment. Many other wiki implementations have it available at all times. - -* Notify I agree with you that both you and me no longer use. However, beginners or infrequent users, might use it more often to register during periods when they feel thay could spare more time for a wiki - say, during holidays and similar. - -I guess this is wht you call a Mexican Standoff, right? :-) - -I propose we let the matter "sit" for a while - I need to think about your input, and ponder the "usage patterns" idea/concept you've now given me ... - --- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 14 Jan 2003 - -I think you are right. We need to think about this some more and allow some time. Right now I think I have a health problem that prevents me from sleeping as much as I need to and "Doing" too much at times. - -I wouldn't call this a standoff, not yet. ;-) - -Interesting and complex issues come into scope. Perhaps we should talk about [[GnuFansUsers]] and [[GnuFansUsagePatterns]]? Whatever we do we get into discussion of issues that are more than technology, so talking through our assumptions becomes more important. Real information design is a "wicked problem" as defined by some folks like [Conklin](http://www.cognexus.org/id22.htm) and others. - --- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 14 Jan 2003 - -Can one get type in something to get the [[WebTopicList]] pages back as they used to be --- viz: list the topics with no whitespace in them? - -[Basically, fsbot's updating of hurdwiki topics has stopped working because of a lack of index page as it used to be. Plus, making it work is not a simple matter of writing a script to hand-remove the whitespace because, now the script cannot tell the difference between "real wrb topics" and "other junk" like "Search: ...[]" on the index page. Moreover, that script is used to maintain 2 other wikis (which are usemod style etc.) and tweaking it for this particular wiki will break it for others :( . Until now, things were "compatible" amongst the wikis :)] - --- [[Main/DeepakGoel]] - 16 Jan 2003 - -Oups! :-( - -Introducing new features always leads to new bugs. Grant and I have had a discussion at [[TWikiDiscuss]] regarding introducing the [[SpacedWikiWordPlugin]]. I added it to the Hurd Wiki yesterday and now we have problems. - -Grant, are you there? Can you think of an immediate solution/workaround which could help Deego and still let us keep the [[SpacedWikiWordPlugin]]? - --- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 16 Jan 2003 - -Hm, never mind, i have modified my script to work with it :) Thanks for the quick response, Joachim, and sorry to bother you all :) - --- [[Main/DeepakGoel]] - 16 Jan 2003 - -Joachim, when I get a chance I'm going to refactor some of the discussion here, moving it to something like [[WebMenuDiscuss]]. - -Deego, thanks very much for modifying your script. You were quick to reply as well! - -In the meantime, I have an issue within the scope of this web and perhaps others. I've just discoved w3m and _IT ROCKS_! Why, because I am editing this with `vim` right now! It works out of the box unlike a method I tried a few days ago as described on TWiki:Codev/ somewhere. (link forthcoming) And adoption will soar when people don't have to use Xfree under Debain GNU/Hurd to get to the Hurd wiki! I'm ecstatic right now. - -The one problem is that the Hurd logo in ascii isn't showing up right. I've not looked into it too closely yet but I plan to also discuss w3m on twiki.org in the next while. Any suggestions? - --- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 17 Jan 2003 - -W3M is what I always use when I don't have X, it is really good! - -The ASCII logo problem I'm aware of. Currently I've only seen Mozilla and Lynx display it properly (Mozilla when there is something wrong with the WEBLOGO). Almost a year ago when I first developed the [[GnuSkin]] I was also patching w3m to use Lynx's alt tag parser. I worked on it very sporadically and I don't remember if I ever got it working. I could perhaps look into it again, if noone beets me to it. - --- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 17 Jan 2003 diff --git a/TWiki/discussion.mdwn b/TWiki/discussion.mdwn new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0e1be4e6 --- /dev/null +++ b/TWiki/discussion.mdwn @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +# Meta Discussion Topic for the TWiki Web + +Old discussions: [[WIKIHOMEURLTWikiWebDiscussrev12]] | [[WIKIHOMEURLTWikiWebDiscussrev16]] + +This topic is used for meta discussions regarding the TWiki web. We discuss content, usability features, and other related things. Comment below in blog style. + +---- + +I don't know if [[Main/DerekDavies]] will read this or not, however I know you will, Joachim. Derek changed the [[WebMenu]] for the TWiki web and also (my way of some kind of include) changed the navigation on the front page. + +I guess I get sensitive over navigation issues. If a site is to act as one site then there needs to be consistency in the navigation. I also am a firm believer that TWiki in general and newbies in particular overwhelms people new to our site with too much information all at once. This is a public site. I'm trying to keep in mind that we want to be effective in getting across a message to an audience that for the most part are not TWiki fans even if they are somewhat GNU fans by way of their even knowing about and being interestd in the Hurd efforts. + +There's also the balance between encouraging users to participate in the content and keeping a unified site that makes sense to all. To me that indicates some degree of direction/management. + +So before I fly off the handle and change back the [[TWiki/WebMenu]] as well as putting security restrictions on all [[WebMenu]] topics I wanted to get some feedback as a sanity check. + +-- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 06 Jan 2003 + +Don't worry Grant, you're still sane. :) + +I completely agree to put certain topics, e.g., [[TWiki/WebMenu]] and [[Main/HurdGnuFansOrg]], under stricter editorial control. + +-- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 07 Jan 2003 + +Dilemma: I kinda like the [[WebMenu]] changes if they were isolated to the TWiki web. Hmmm. However I don't like them on the main page. Can you change the Python script to not make those two identical? + +And the right way of making that change would not be a new [[WebMenu]] but a change to a variable, right? Oh, the TWiki one IS the global one, yeah. We should lock a couple topics in any case, but only using GROUPS, not user names. Yes, you and I have over-ride in reality but using group names more clearly conveys who to talk to by if users want to talk to someone. Using the right group names also gives future flexibility if the list of names change. It's The Right Thing To Do (tm). :-) + +-- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 09 Jan 2003 + +Hmmm, sure I can fix the Python script. How would you like to have the front page? + +1. [[HurdGnuFansOrg]] plus the menu look of the Main web +2. [[HurdGnuFansOrg]] plus the menu look of some other web + +(**_On a side note:_** I still think we should have [[WebIndex]], [[WebChanges]] and [[WebNotify]] in the menu of all the webs, the DEFAULTITEMS. Named Index, [[ChangeLog]] and Notify Me ...)
+ +

"Carthago delenda est!"
-- Cato

+ +We always use group names, naturally. :) + +-- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 13 Jan 2003 + +We're getting down to usage style, I think. For me I NEVER access the [[WebNotify]] now that it's set. It would be clutter, promoting a one time use that probably most people may not want because they are not as interested in the site as we are. Just a Guess. + +I NEVER use [[WebIndex]], I always search. There's already a search in the upper right of your page. + +[[WebChanges]] is useful, but again if it's on a link from the [[WebHome]] topic anyway... Do you access [[WebChanges]] more than a couple times during a session to a web? Do you think others do as well? + +-- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 14 Jan 2003 + +You're probably right, we're talking about usage patterns. Here are my reasons, tainted they may be of my own style: + +* An index page is useful to a person like me, or a beginner, trying to get an overview what types of pages a web contains. I also use it to look fur unmaintained stuff, cruft, that might contain erroneous information - but that's for maintenance, so it doesn't really count. I find the index mostly useful because my brain shuts down quite frequently and finding the correct search words sometimes fail. Scanning through a list helps me such times. And, some topics aren't listed on the webhomes or adjacent pages. + +* [[WebChanges]] I use when I don't want to login to my mail to see what you've been doing lately. It's also very useful tool for infrequent visitors wanting to find out where people work at the moment. Many other wiki implementations have it available at all times. + +* Notify I agree with you that both you and me no longer use. However, beginners or infrequent users, might use it more often to register during periods when they feel thay could spare more time for a wiki - say, during holidays and similar. + +I guess this is wht you call a Mexican Standoff, right? :-) + +I propose we let the matter "sit" for a while - I need to think about your input, and ponder the "usage patterns" idea/concept you've now given me ... + +-- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 14 Jan 2003 + +I think you are right. We need to think about this some more and allow some time. Right now I think I have a health problem that prevents me from sleeping as much as I need to and "Doing" too much at times. + +I wouldn't call this a standoff, not yet. ;-) + +Interesting and complex issues come into scope. Perhaps we should talk about [[GnuFansUsers]] and [[GnuFansUsagePatterns]]? Whatever we do we get into discussion of issues that are more than technology, so talking through our assumptions becomes more important. Real information design is a "wicked problem" as defined by some folks like [Conklin](http://www.cognexus.org/id22.htm) and others. + +-- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 14 Jan 2003 + +Can one get type in something to get the [[WebTopicList]] pages back as they used to be --- viz: list the topics with no whitespace in them? + +[Basically, fsbot's updating of hurdwiki topics has stopped working because of a lack of index page as it used to be. Plus, making it work is not a simple matter of writing a script to hand-remove the whitespace because, now the script cannot tell the difference between "real wrb topics" and "other junk" like "Search: ...[]" on the index page. Moreover, that script is used to maintain 2 other wikis (which are usemod style etc.) and tweaking it for this particular wiki will break it for others :( . Until now, things were "compatible" amongst the wikis :)] + +-- [[Main/DeepakGoel]] - 16 Jan 2003 + +Oups! :-( + +Introducing new features always leads to new bugs. Grant and I have had a discussion at [[TWikiDiscuss]] regarding introducing the [[SpacedWikiWordPlugin]]. I added it to the Hurd Wiki yesterday and now we have problems. + +Grant, are you there? Can you think of an immediate solution/workaround which could help Deego and still let us keep the [[SpacedWikiWordPlugin]]? + +-- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 16 Jan 2003 + +Hm, never mind, i have modified my script to work with it :) Thanks for the quick response, Joachim, and sorry to bother you all :) + +-- [[Main/DeepakGoel]] - 16 Jan 2003 + +Joachim, when I get a chance I'm going to refactor some of the discussion here, moving it to something like [[WebMenuDiscuss]]. + +Deego, thanks very much for modifying your script. You were quick to reply as well! + +In the meantime, I have an issue within the scope of this web and perhaps others. I've just discoved w3m and _IT ROCKS_! Why, because I am editing this with `vim` right now! It works out of the box unlike a method I tried a few days ago as described on TWiki:Codev/ somewhere. (link forthcoming) And adoption will soar when people don't have to use Xfree under Debain GNU/Hurd to get to the Hurd wiki! I'm ecstatic right now. + +The one problem is that the Hurd logo in ascii isn't showing up right. I've not looked into it too closely yet but I plan to also discuss w3m on twiki.org in the next while. Any suggestions? + +-- [[Main/GrantBow]] - 17 Jan 2003 + +W3M is what I always use when I don't have X, it is really good! + +The ASCII logo problem I'm aware of. Currently I've only seen Mozilla and Lynx display it properly (Mozilla when there is something wrong with the WEBLOGO). Almost a year ago when I first developed the [[GnuSkin]] I was also patching w3m to use Lynx's alt tag parser. I worked on it very sporadically and I don't remember if I ever got it working. I could perhaps look into it again, if noone beets me to it. + +-- [[Main/JoachimNilsson]] - 17 Jan 2003 -- cgit v1.2.3

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